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Jon Stewart On Christians
Written by Frank Minero   
Sunday, 04 December 2011 13:36

"I have to say, as someone who is not a Christian, it's haard for me to believe Christians are a persecuted people in America. God-willing, maybe one of you one day will even rise up and get to be president of this country -- or maybe forty-four in a row. But that's my point, is they've taken this idea of no establishment as persecution, because they feel entitled, not to equal status, but to greater status." - Jon Stewart to Mike Huckabee on The Daily Show

 


 


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0 #8 google plus apps 2014-03-18 03:51
It's nearly impossible to find well-informed people in this particular topic, however, you seem like you know what you're talking about!
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0 #7 Jason Cullen 2011-12-05 17:08
@Darren

I don't believe in rights, as the idea has its origins in religious and monarchist beliefs.

You are confusing a civil, legal definition of marriage with its origin in religious ideas of marriage: two distinct if ultimately related concepts. Bans on gay marriage do not prohibit religion, since gay men and women have been getting married in Jewish and Buddhist temples and Christian churches for DECADES. However, they were never legally recognized. So you are confusing a legal practice (which is subject to judges, courts, and legislatures [i.e. majorities in a democracy]) with a religious practice, which has never been curtailed. We can, therefore, ban marriage as a civil/legal relationship while churches preserve their fantasies. (I mean, the RC church also has a sacrament of confession, but the courts don't recognize 'forgiveness' during sentencing; why should they recognize marriage?)
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0 #6 Darren Embry 2011-12-05 16:40
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Is marriage a right?


Depends on what you call a "right". Bans on gay marriage literally prohibit the free exercise of religion. Not only infringing on the rights of same-sex couples, but of churches that want to marry them (of which there are more than zero).

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Personally, I think we should ban all marriage.


Well... you can't *ban* marriage, it's a religious practice. Just don't have states recognize it, I guess. A lot of small-L libertarians think that's a good compromise apparently. But for some reason that doesn't sound like a thing that will ever happen.
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0 #5 Jason Cullen 2011-12-05 16:25
I got this in e-mail, although the comment doesn't appear. I can't resist his posting his reaction:

"Darren Embry — 2011-12-06 00:19

Bans on same-sex marriage amended to so many states' constitutions, literally in direct conflict with the First Amendment.

Need more examples be provided?"

Is marriage a right? It's a religious idea or a property law idea. Personally, I think we should ban all marriage. Then we could just have relationships, like everybody does ANYWAY. So I really don't care if Xtians ban me from marrying a man. The Xtians divorce in larger numbers than everybody else, anyway, so it's just shooting oneself in the foot. Let them have sacraments. Shack up with whomever you like: it's legal.
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0 #4 Darren Embry 2011-12-05 16:19
Quoting Jason Cullen:
how does a majority (i.e. Christian Americans) have undue (or unwarranted, excessive, inappropriate, unjustifiable < Random House Dictionary, www.dictionary.com) influence in a democracy?


Bans on same-sex marriage amended to so many states' constitutions, literally in direct conflict with the First Amendment.

Need more examples be provided?
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0 #3 Jason Cullen 2011-12-05 08:57
OK, as an atheist I get just as annoyed with Xtians as Stewart does, but how does a majority (i.e. Christian Americans) have undue (or unwarranted, excessive, inappropriate, unjustifiable < Random House Dictionary, www.dictionary.com) influence in a democracy? Love or hate them, their influence is not 'undue'. Unless you think democracy is best manifest in a revolutionary vanguard party that 'knows' what the people need more than the people do, or Bolshevism. ;-)
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+2 #2 twominuteplank 2011-12-05 08:41
Conservative Christians are usually the first to squalk about the undue influence of "special interest groups" on government, while being a special interests group with undue influence on government.
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+5 #1 Jason Cullen 2011-12-05 08:22
America's greatest living intellectual!
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